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He completed his work in 7 days and did rest for one day. What kind of rest did the almighty creator want? Your genesis was unable to elaborate anything about planets. How did he count 7 days without knowing anything about day and night? What I meant by not reading Genesis literally is that I don't take the 7 days to be literal days of any kind. I take these as symbolic. For example the fact, that the first thing that God creates is light.

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His God is omnipotence, perfect and merciful but human cannot know those attributes. He is omnipotence, united, eternal, all-powerful and perfect but we cannot have exact knowledge of God. We can know those attributes with universal things. This theory of Aquinas is not contradictory to theism. Also he elaborates bodiless God and cause-effect reasoning for knowing him by humans.

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Which is exactly the point of the rfee I am making. Why atheism is irrational Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: India was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: It was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus Yes, they are not reliable. Electrifying Guy T Why atheism is irrational petrapark3r said in Fact check with Pet: But that second part about, being entirely rationalcan be proven to be wrong, simply by indian chat online free it onlinee just once: A new paper published obline frontiers in psychology which describes belief in god is associated with montauk escorts scores on IQ test Source 1 Source2 If atheism was irrational, their followers should have lower IQ than that of theists So lets assume there is no God.

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Why atheism is irrational pe7erpark3r said in [Fact check with Pet: Will you call Bertrand Russell's atheism was based on his faith? Apparently his all counterarguments for five proofs for god's existence were logical and valid. This first cause is God and is exempted from needing a cause.

But it does not disprove God. It just states that the world could also be without reason. As I tried to show however this gives the world some irrational properties.

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